This podcasts is recorded in the language: NL
We are told many things.
and you can draw conclusions from that.
when you see that when something is told it turns out to be different,
then you can also draw conclusions from that.
however, from that moment on, the wrong conclusions are often drawn.
To prevent this, there needs to be more clarity,
that's basically the whole point of this podcast,
but as usual it's being all over the place while talking.